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"RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@mi.rr.com>Subject:
Re: Visual Studio 2010Date:
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Hi Kate:
I heard some time ago that WPF was one of the Hhighest priorities of GW.
But, that was the last I heard of that.
I have mucked about vb.net 2010 with WE but found it pretty much useless compared to using vb.net 2008.
I guess there are other screen reader choices available that work pretty well but I've not tried them since I think I can make WindowEyes do what I need it to do when I need it to do it with scripting.
Also, I don't want to drop a grand on software that I use basically as a hobbiest, won't drop a grand for that purpose.
The Express versions do what I need them to do. I would have dropped a couple hundred for the Standard version but that has been discontinued and it, like the express modules, couldn't natively handle add-ins from what I remember.
So, I'll just use the Express modules and script them as necessary to work well.
If anyone ever wanted Visual Studio scripped or add-ins created that would cost a bundle as the software alone is that expensive and I have no itch to do it for fun.
Later and good hunting Kate!
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Katherine Moss
To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: Visual Studio 2010
If you still have a copy of JAWS, it should work. I mean, if you're really serious about development, then you should look into the pro version anyway. VS 2010 has no standard version anymore. They took that one off. I just switch to JAWS when I want to use Vs 2010. But it would be nice for WE to have support for it, but I think that until GW Micro decided to make strides to support WPF fully, that's not going to happen.
From: RicksPlace [mailto:ofbgmail@mi.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:26 AM
To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com
Subject: Visual Studio 2010
Hi: Visual Studio Express does not expose the COM interface unless you buy the Professional Version. That means no add-ins for the Express nor the Standard Versions as far as I can tell.
I ran Jamal's HarvestWindow app and it looks like the MSAA stuff is still there and, if GW has done it all, the UIA stuff should be exposed through their MSAA and other objects from what I understand.
I don't know about scripting the WPF objects which are what is used in all the new Microsoft Software and in Visual Studio in particular.
Has anyone used a WE Script to do some scripting of the Visual Studio environment and especially the Editors and Designers?
What about the WPF stuff?
What about interacting with the DOM controls which are actually WPF in nature if I understand what I've read about the new Visual Studio?
I am trying to find out if vb.net and vwd 2010 can be scripted without using add-ins as is being done for the VS Professional level, really expensive, software.
Well, that's it. Without add-ins it may be a real mess to try and script that battleship but it is what it is.
Some day my old machine will have to be replaced and I will be forced into windows 7 or 8 and likely have to install and use the newer Microsoft development software so I am starting to look at what I may have to do to reduce my learning curve when that happens.
Rick USA
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Kate: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I heard some time ago that WPF was one of the
Hhighest priorities of GW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But, that was the last I
heard of that.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I have mucked about vb.net 2010 with WE but
found it pretty much useless compared to using vb.net 2008.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I guess there are other screen reader choices
available that work pretty well but I've not tried them since I think I can
make WindowEyes do what I need it to do when I need it to do it with
scripting.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Also, I don't want to drop a grand on software
that I use basically as a hobbiest, won't drop a grand for that purpose.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">The Express versions do what I need them to do.
I would have dropped a couple hundred for the Standard version but that has
been discontinued and it, like the express modules, couldn't natively handle
add-ins from what I remember.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">So, I'll just use the Express modules and script
them as necessary to work well.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">If anyone ever wanted Visual Studio scripped or
add-ins created that would cost a bundle as the software alone is that
expensive and I have no itch to do it for fun.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Later and good hunting Kate!</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Rick USA</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu
href="mailto:Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu">Katherine Moss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=gw-scripting@gwmicro.com
href="mailto:gw-scripting@gwmicro.com">gw-scripting@gwmicro.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Visual Studio 2010</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
you still have a copy of JAWS, it should work. I mean, if you’re really
serious about development, then you should look into the pro version
anyway. VS 2010 has no standard version anymore. They took that
one off. I just switch to JAWS when I want to use Vs 2010. But it
would be nice for WE to have support for it, but I think that until GW Micro
decided to make strides to support WPF fully, that’s not going to
happen. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> RicksPlace
[mailto:ofbgmail@mi.rr.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 12, 2011 4:26
AM<BR><B>To:</B> gw-scripting@gwmicro.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Visual Studio
2010<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi: Visual Studio
Express does not expose the COM interface unless you buy the Professional
Version. That means no add-ins for the Express nor the Standard Versions as
far as I can tell.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I ran Jamal's
HarvestWindow app and it looks like the MSAA stuff is still there and, if GW
has done it all, the UIA stuff should be exposed through their MSAA and other
objects from what I understand.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I don't know about
scripting the WPF objects which are what is used in all the new Microsoft
Software and in Visual Studio in particular.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Has anyone used a
WE Script to do some scripting of the Visual Studio environment and especially
the Editors and Designers?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What about the WPF
stuff?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What about
interacting with the DOM controls which are actually WPF in nature if I
understand what I've read about the new Visual
Studio?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I am trying to find
out if vb.net and vwd 2010 can be scripted without using add-ins as is being
done for the VS Professional level, really expensive,
software.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Well, that's it.
Without add-ins it may be a real mess to try and script that battleship but it
is what it is.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Some day my old
machine will have to be replaced and I will be forced into windows 7 or 8 and
likely have to install and use the newer Microsoft development software so I
am starting to look at what I may have to do to reduce my learning curve when
that happens.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Rick
USA</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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Hi Kate:
I heard some time ago that WPF was one of the Hhighest priorities of GW.
But, that was the last I heard of that.
I have mucked about vb.net 2010 with WE but found it pretty much useless compared to using vb.net 2008.
I guess there are other screen reader choices available that work pretty well but I've not tried them since I think I can make WindowEyes do what I need it to do when I need it to do it with scripting.
Also, I don't want to drop a grand on software that I use basically as a hobbiest, won't drop a grand for that purpose.
The Express versions do what I need them to do. I would have dropped a couple hundred for the Standard version but that has been discontinued and it, like the express modules, couldn't natively handle add-ins from what I remember.
So, I'll just use the Express modules and script them as necessary to work well.
If anyone ever wanted Visual Studio scripped or add-ins created that would cost a bundle as the software alone is that expensive and I have no itch to do it for fun.
Later and good hunting Kate!
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Katherine Moss
To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: Visual Studio 2010
If you still have a copy of JAWS, it should work. I mean, if you're really serious about development, then you should look into the pro version anyway. VS 2010 has no standard version anymore. They took that one off. I just switch to JAWS when I want to use Vs 2010. But it would be nice for WE to have support for it, but I think that until GW Micro decided to make strides to support WPF fully, that's not going to happen.
From: RicksPlace [mailto:ofbgmail@mi.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:26 AM
To: gw-scripting@gwmicro.com
Subject: Visual Studio 2010
Hi: Visual Studio Express does not expose the COM interface unless you buy the Professional Version. That means no add-ins for the Express nor the Standard Versions as far as I can tell.
I ran Jamal's HarvestWindow app and it looks like the MSAA stuff is still there and, if GW has done it all, the UIA stuff should be exposed through their MSAA and other objects from what I understand.
I don't know about scripting the WPF objects which are what is used in all the new Microsoft Software and in Visual Studio in particular.
Has anyone used a WE Script to do some scripting of the Visual Studio environment and especially the Editors and Designers?
What about the WPF stuff?
What about interacting with the DOM controls which are actually WPF in nature if I understand what I've read about the new Visual Studio?
I am trying to find out if vb.net and vwd 2010 can be scripted without using add-ins as is being done for the VS Professional level, really expensive, software.
Well, that's it. Without add-ins it may be a real mess to try and script that battleship but it is what it is.
Some day my old machine will have to be replaced and I will be forced into windows 7 or 8 and likely have to install and use the newer Microsoft development software so I am starting to look at what I may have to do to reduce my learning curve when that happens.
Rick USA
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Kate: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I heard some time ago that WPF was one of the
Hhighest priorities of GW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But, that was the last I
heard of that.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
dir=ltr>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I have mucked about vb.net 2010 with WE but
found it pretty much useless compared to using vb.net 2008.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I guess there are other screen reader choices
available that work pretty well but I've not tried them since I think I can
make WindowEyes do what I need it to do when I need it to do it with
scripting.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Also, I don't want to drop a grand on software
that I use basically as a hobbiest, won't drop a grand for that purpose.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">The Express versions do what I need them to do.
I would have dropped a couple hundred for the Standard version but that has
been discontinued and it, like the express modules, couldn't natively handle
add-ins from what I remember.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">So, I'll just use the Express modules and script
them as necessary to work well.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">If anyone ever wanted Visual Studio scripped or
add-ins created that would cost a bundle as the software alone is that
expensive and I have no itch to do it for fun.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Later and good hunting Kate!</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Rick USA</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu
href="mailto:Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu">Katherine Moss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=gw-scripting@gwmicro.com
href="mailto:gw-scripting@gwmicro.com">gw-scripting@gwmicro.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 12, 2011 8:40
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Visual Studio 2010</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
you still have a copy of JAWS, it should work. I mean, if you’re really
serious about development, then you should look into the pro version
anyway. VS 2010 has no standard version anymore. They took that
one off. I just switch to JAWS when I want to use Vs 2010. But it
would be nice for WE to have support for it, but I think that until GW Micro
decided to make strides to support WPF fully, that’s not going to
happen. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> RicksPlace
[mailto:ofbgmail@mi.rr.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 12, 2011 4:26
AM<BR><B>To:</B> gw-scripting@gwmicro.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Visual Studio
2010<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi: Visual Studio
Express does not expose the COM interface unless you buy the Professional
Version. That means no add-ins for the Express nor the Standard Versions as
far as I can tell.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I ran Jamal's
HarvestWindow app and it looks like the MSAA stuff is still there and, if GW
has done it all, the UIA stuff should be exposed through their MSAA and other
objects from what I understand.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I don't know about
scripting the WPF objects which are what is used in all the new Microsoft
Software and in Visual Studio in particular.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Has anyone used a
WE Script to do some scripting of the Visual Studio environment and especially
the Editors and Designers?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What about the WPF
stuff?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What about
interacting with the DOM controls which are actually WPF in nature if I
understand what I've read about the new Visual
Studio?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I am trying to find
out if vb.net and vwd 2010 can be scripted without using add-ins as is being
done for the VS Professional level, really expensive,
software.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Well, that's it.
Without add-ins it may be a real mess to try and script that battleship but it
is what it is.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Some day my old
machine will have to be replaced and I will be forced into windows 7 or 8 and
likely have to install and use the newer Microsoft development software so I
am starting to look at what I may have to do to reduce my learning curve when
that happens.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Rick
USA</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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