From:

 BT

Subject:

 Re: Window-Eyes Script Writing

Date:

 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:47:58 am

Hi David,

That is what I was trying to explain but fell into the trap of stating
tutorial examples at the W3 site only to show a way of tutoring. As I stated
in my last email, Describe a command, show the syntax, then an example, then
the ability to run it, and finally to edit it so you can experiment.

This is what w3 school did and was only showing an example on how to
tutor, but when attempting to help in setting up links to your own examples,
that does get a new person upset.

I remember when attempting to learn Python and how that got speech
started, the one person doing the Python free version of a screen reader, he
said, "I had to look up everything and spend many of hours, so I am not
going to help you." In other words, you are on your own. No help, just
brushed off.

As you stated in your last email, I also once again went to that lovely
Script Manual in the help menu and you hit it right on the head, there is no
example how to set it up, as you stated, you are shown a reference to a
reference which points back and forth and no way can anyone ever understand
what is being said unless they knew how to script already; maybe the same
statement as above, but in different words???

The nice part about scripting is that all you need is the file extension
..vbs to write a script and test it. For all computers from XP on do run
scripts.

Once mastering script writing using VB script then maybe there will be
a better approach on how to setup the Windoweyes scripting or the WE model.
You certainly will not understand it in that help manual.

I just wanted to look at how to do or write speech properties and all I
got was the run-around in that help menu. Clicking on properties only
displayed a new page that pointed back to the same click, no syntax, not
example, nothing!

So, that should be the first fix. Learning VB can be at least done
slowly by writing files with the .vbs extension and experimenting. Even
using the W3 school tutorial and ignoring the html all together, just write
the code without all that garbage.

But, having said that you must have a way to display results without
exiting the script.. so insert such things as message box at the end. Once
again having to know scripting before learning it.

This entire thing reminds me of when I went to college and had no reader
support, nothing in a form I could read, had to know the language in order
to be able to read even the instructors notes. In other words, as you said,
you are assumed to have to know scripting before learning it.

I am sure this is why everyone got angry this weekend and can anyone
blame them?

Sincerely
Bruce


Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Script Writing


Well, also, do remember that VBScripting - or any other supported scripting
language - is necessary; so as to do Window-Eyes scripting. Look at it this
way:

If you were to build a house, you do need a piece of land, some kind of
drawing or diagram to show the outlay of the house, a good chunk of tools,
and a few tons of material. Well, to 'build' - or write - a script, you do
need:

- A piece of land: some task it will carry out, i.e making a software
accessible.
- A diagram: Some idea as to how you want to perform the task, i.e what
should happen, when should it take place, and what interaction should there
be with the user.
- Some tools: A scripting language, like VBS, Pearl, Python, or whatever you
choose.
- A ton of building material:The Window-Eyes Scripting Module.

As with the house, NONE of the items on the list could be excluded; neither
can any on the list for a scripter. Window-Eyes Scripting Module, is no
complete scripting language, in its own. It is simply a load of building
bricks, poles, boards, nails, screws, hinches and wallpaper. You would be
left totally wet, the next rainy day, with that one alone. Putting ANY of
the stuff to use, you will HAVE TO use some kind of tools, that is, a
scripting language.

As with a carpenter or plumber, they will have to learn how to handle their
tools, before they ever get started on any 'real' project. Likewise, you
will have to learn, how to do the basic scripting, i.e, how to write a
'stand alone' VBS script; before ever looking into the matter of scripting
for Window-Eyes. Go to schol, try become a carpenter. See for yourself, how
many days and weeks, they are going to teach you tool handling, before you
get your chance of a 'hands on project'. When you started out in grade one,
in school - you didn't write your 250 pages novel the first day, did you?
How many months did it take for you, to realize how much 3 plus 5 multiplied
by 4 is? And, how many years did it take, before they started to tell you
about the complexity of your digestion system?

If you are planning on becoming a scripter, please do realize, that you will
have to start with the beginning. OK, if you already are familiar with
VBScripting or the like, go ahead - get out your building suplies (the
Window-Eyes module), and start on your project. But don't expect to build
the palace the very first day! Try out a hut, built of palm branches; and
get familiar with the secrets. Then, as experience grows, let your project
move on. No matter what you decide to do, remember to bring your toolbox.



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Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Script Writing