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RE: Disappointed thus farDate:
Sat, Oct 14, 2006 1:56:51 pmWas that attendance fee figure you gave a typo? Four thousand dollars?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Tanner [mailto:david-tanner@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:45 AM
To: Steve Jacobson; Mike Pietruk; Doug Geoffray
Cc: GW-info@gwmicro.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed thus far
Are you going to be doing a presentation, maybe in your suite, at Gap? I am
not registered for the regular program becuase the selection of
presentations on blindness products was so bad I couldn't feel that it was
worth paying over $4000 to go. But, if you are doing any presentations in
your suite I want to attend those. I live less than 10 miles from the hotel
where the conference is held.
Sorry I had to question what was coming, but having not seen any of the
presentations on office I didn't know what to expect.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Geoffray"
To: "David Tanner" ; "Steve Jacobson"
; "Mike Pietruk"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Disappointed thus far
: David,
:
: I'm especially surprised you would ask this. Weren't you at
: Microsoft's presentation of Office 2007 at last year's CSUN? I
: co-presented with Microsoft and showed Window-Eyes with it? In fact,
: have you seen any of the Microsoft presentations on Office? They
: always use Window-Eyes when demonstrating it. In fact, Microsoft
: always uses Window-Eyes when demonstrating Vista. Not only will
: Window-Eyes be supporting Office 2007's Word, Excel, Outlook, and
: PowerPoint, but it will by far raise the bar with these applications
: and the general interface into the new ribbon of Office 2007.
:
: I hope you will take the time to actually try Window-Eyes with Office
: 2007 and give our new PowerPoint and Outlook calendar feature a
: try. I can hype here all day but until you actually try it yourself,
: you'll never believe me and continue to be pessimistic.
:
: I'll be the first to admit we aren't always the first to come out
: with things (although there is plenty we did do first) but you can be
: sure when we do release support for something it works and works
: better then anything else out there. Oh, and you can also be assured
: that it will work as advertised and most of all be stable. I think
: that is far more important than always being first.
:
: Regards,
: Doug
:
: At 12:02 AM 10/13/06, David Tanner wrote:
: >Well, I think the biggest question that needs to be asked is which
: >version of office and PowerPoint will WE 6.0 support? Will it
: >support PowerPoint, Excell, Word and Outlook in MS Office 12, which
: >is due out at almost the same time as Windows Vista? Or, will we be
: >waiting a year or two for Office 12 support.
: >
: >The current version of MS Office has been on the market 3 years, and
: >WE is just now getting around to PowerPoint support. Will we start
: >the whole thing over with only support for Word when Office 12 comes out?
: >
: >
: >----- Original Message -----
: >From: "Mike Pietruk"
: >To: "Steve Jacobson"
: >Cc:
: >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:15 AM
: >Subject: Re: Disappointed thus far
: >
: >
: >: Steve
: >:
: >: That's how I read David Justice's msg also. It's too bad that GWMICRO
: >: software programmers have to put so much energy into MicroSoft which,
of
: >: course, takes them away from being able to work on other things
: >: like, for example,the recent discussions relevant to Norton 7.0.
: >: But, as has been said by others, GWMICRO has its priorities in the
right
: >: place as the aps addressed in 6.0 should make the work lives of many
blind
: >: users far more productive.
: >: So while at the moment 6.0 has little significance in my little corner
of
: >: the world, GWMICRO has its priorities where they ought to be.
: >: And who knows, one day I may need PowerPoint, the Outlook Calendar, et
al.
: >:
: >:
: >: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Steve Jacobson wrote:
: >:
: >: > I think you guys are missing his point. After eleven years of
: >being committed to accessibility by Microsoft, it just shouldn't
: >: > be big news or take a major effort on the part of a screen
: >reader to make a main line Microsoft product accessible. Of
: >: > course it is good that GW Micro did it and I applaud their
: >efforts, and certainly Microsoft could have been far less helpful
: >: > than they have been. They have put significant effort into
: >making their products accessible and deserve some credit for
: >: > that as well. I just thought by now that accessibility to
: >Microsoft Office products would be more of a done deal than it is.
: >: > In that sense I agree with Mr. Justice..
: >: >
: >: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:41:52 -0600, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
: >: >
: >: > >OK, Did I miss the other half of your message? You say you are
: >: > >disappointed in the support for Microsoft but you did not say your
: >: > >feelings on the other side of your opinion. What are you wanting
: >: > >Window-Eyes to support better? Have you seen how much Microsoft is
used
: >: > >in today's world? Do I like Microsoft? Not all the way, however I do
: >: > >know it's here to stay and not having support for it will seriously
: >: > >limit many people's abilities to use the software whether it's at
home
: >: > >or more importantly, at work.
: >: >
: >: > >When I used to work for Sprint we had to use Office's Outlook for
all
: >: > >intranet mail. Sure we could use other methods but they were not
: >: > >supported and if a tech ever needed to do work on our workstation
the
: >: > >first thing they might do is put the Outlook back to working with
the
: >: > >Sprint network. Do I like Outlook? Personally I can't stand it but
: >: > >again, it's used and it's here to stay. I'd rather use Linux mail
tools
: >: > >but for that I use a Linux screen reader. Although I'm not a huge
fan of
: >: > >Microsoft I do realize the reality here and for one am very glad of
all
: >: > >the new support and the new things Window-Eyes has to offer with
those
: >: > >dreaded Microsoft products.
: >: >
: >: > >* David Justice [061011 17:27]:
: >: > >> After all these years of Microsoft supposedly working with the
: >: > >> disability community and adaptive software venders, we are still
: >: > >> supposed to be excited about a new version of WinEyes which
features
: >: > >> changes that make it work, or work better, with microsoft,
: >: > >> microsoft, microsoft, and oh yes microsoft applications. While
I'm
: >: > >> sure many others out there so excited that they can hardly stand
: >: > >> still, I am both disappointed and discouraged.
: >: >
: >: > >--
: >: > >Also I shook my lap, and said, So God shake out every man from his
: >: > >house, and from his labour, that performeth not this promise, even
: >: > >thus be he shaken out, and emptied. And all the congregation said,
: >: > >Amen, and praised the LORD. And the people did according to this
: >: > >promise.
: >: > > -- Nehemiah 5:13
: >: > >Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc
: >: >
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:
: Doug Geoffray
: GW Micro, Inc.
: Voice 260-489-3671
: Fax 260-489-2608
: http://www.gwmicro.com
:
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Tanner [mailto:david-tanner@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:45 AM
To: Steve Jacobson; Mike Pietruk; Doug Geoffray
Cc: GW-info@gwmicro.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed thus far
Are you going to be doing a presentation, maybe in your suite, at Gap? I am
not registered for the regular program becuase the selection of
presentations on blindness products was so bad I couldn't feel that it was
worth paying over $4000 to go. But, if you are doing any presentations in
your suite I want to attend those. I live less than 10 miles from the hotel
where the conference is held.
Sorry I had to question what was coming, but having not seen any of the
presentations on office I didn't know what to expect.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Geoffray"
To: "David Tanner" ; "Steve Jacobson"
; "Mike Pietruk"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Disappointed thus far
: David,
:
: I'm especially surprised you would ask this. Weren't you at
: Microsoft's presentation of Office 2007 at last year's CSUN? I
: co-presented with Microsoft and showed Window-Eyes with it? In fact,
: have you seen any of the Microsoft presentations on Office? They
: always use Window-Eyes when demonstrating it. In fact, Microsoft
: always uses Window-Eyes when demonstrating Vista. Not only will
: Window-Eyes be supporting Office 2007's Word, Excel, Outlook, and
: PowerPoint, but it will by far raise the bar with these applications
: and the general interface into the new ribbon of Office 2007.
:
: I hope you will take the time to actually try Window-Eyes with Office
: 2007 and give our new PowerPoint and Outlook calendar feature a
: try. I can hype here all day but until you actually try it yourself,
: you'll never believe me and continue to be pessimistic.
:
: I'll be the first to admit we aren't always the first to come out
: with things (although there is plenty we did do first) but you can be
: sure when we do release support for something it works and works
: better then anything else out there. Oh, and you can also be assured
: that it will work as advertised and most of all be stable. I think
: that is far more important than always being first.
:
: Regards,
: Doug
:
: At 12:02 AM 10/13/06, David Tanner wrote:
: >Well, I think the biggest question that needs to be asked is which
: >version of office and PowerPoint will WE 6.0 support? Will it
: >support PowerPoint, Excell, Word and Outlook in MS Office 12, which
: >is due out at almost the same time as Windows Vista? Or, will we be
: >waiting a year or two for Office 12 support.
: >
: >The current version of MS Office has been on the market 3 years, and
: >WE is just now getting around to PowerPoint support. Will we start
: >the whole thing over with only support for Word when Office 12 comes out?
: >
: >
: >----- Original Message -----
: >From: "Mike Pietruk"
: >To: "Steve Jacobson"
: >Cc:
: >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:15 AM
: >Subject: Re: Disappointed thus far
: >
: >
: >: Steve
: >:
: >: That's how I read David Justice's msg also. It's too bad that GWMICRO
: >: software programmers have to put so much energy into MicroSoft which,
of
: >: course, takes them away from being able to work on other things
: >: like, for example,the recent discussions relevant to Norton 7.0.
: >: But, as has been said by others, GWMICRO has its priorities in the
right
: >: place as the aps addressed in 6.0 should make the work lives of many
blind
: >: users far more productive.
: >: So while at the moment 6.0 has little significance in my little corner
of
: >: the world, GWMICRO has its priorities where they ought to be.
: >: And who knows, one day I may need PowerPoint, the Outlook Calendar, et
al.
: >:
: >:
: >: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Steve Jacobson wrote:
: >:
: >: > I think you guys are missing his point. After eleven years of
: >being committed to accessibility by Microsoft, it just shouldn't
: >: > be big news or take a major effort on the part of a screen
: >reader to make a main line Microsoft product accessible. Of
: >: > course it is good that GW Micro did it and I applaud their
: >efforts, and certainly Microsoft could have been far less helpful
: >: > than they have been. They have put significant effort into
: >making their products accessible and deserve some credit for
: >: > that as well. I just thought by now that accessibility to
: >Microsoft Office products would be more of a done deal than it is.
: >: > In that sense I agree with Mr. Justice..
: >: >
: >: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:41:52 -0600, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
: >: >
: >: > >OK, Did I miss the other half of your message? You say you are
: >: > >disappointed in the support for Microsoft but you did not say your
: >: > >feelings on the other side of your opinion. What are you wanting
: >: > >Window-Eyes to support better? Have you seen how much Microsoft is
used
: >: > >in today's world? Do I like Microsoft? Not all the way, however I do
: >: > >know it's here to stay and not having support for it will seriously
: >: > >limit many people's abilities to use the software whether it's at
home
: >: > >or more importantly, at work.
: >: >
: >: > >When I used to work for Sprint we had to use Office's Outlook for
all
: >: > >intranet mail. Sure we could use other methods but they were not
: >: > >supported and if a tech ever needed to do work on our workstation
the
: >: > >first thing they might do is put the Outlook back to working with
the
: >: > >Sprint network. Do I like Outlook? Personally I can't stand it but
: >: > >again, it's used and it's here to stay. I'd rather use Linux mail
tools
: >: > >but for that I use a Linux screen reader. Although I'm not a huge
fan of
: >: > >Microsoft I do realize the reality here and for one am very glad of
all
: >: > >the new support and the new things Window-Eyes has to offer with
those
: >: > >dreaded Microsoft products.
: >: >
: >: > >* David Justice [061011 17:27]:
: >: > >> After all these years of Microsoft supposedly working with the
: >: > >> disability community and adaptive software venders, we are still
: >: > >> supposed to be excited about a new version of WinEyes which
features
: >: > >> changes that make it work, or work better, with microsoft,
: >: > >> microsoft, microsoft, and oh yes microsoft applications. While
I'm
: >: > >> sure many others out there so excited that they can hardly stand
: >: > >> still, I am both disappointed and discouraged.
: >: >
: >: > >--
: >: > >Also I shook my lap, and said, So God shake out every man from his
: >: > >house, and from his labour, that performeth not this promise, even
: >: > >thus be he shaken out, and emptied. And all the congregation said,
: >: > >Amen, and praised the LORD. And the people did according to this
: >: > >promise.
: >: > > -- Nehemiah 5:13
: >: > >Raul A. Gallegos ... IliwSsmc
: >: >
: >: > >If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original
: >: > >sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and
: >: > >your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending
: >: > >your message to gw-info@gwmicro.com so the entire list will receive
it.
: >: >
: >: > >All GW-Info messages are archived at
: >http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo, and can be searched through and sorted
: >: > using the search
: >: > >form at the bottom of the page.
: >: >
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: >: > >listserv@gwmicro.com and include leave gw-info in the body
: >: > >of the message.
: >: >
: >: >
: >: >
: >: >
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: >: > sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and
: >: > your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending
: >: > your message to gw-info@gwmicro.com so the entire list will receive
it.
: >: >
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: >sorted using the search
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: >: >
: >:
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: >: your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending
: >: your message to gw-info@gwmicro.com so the entire list will receive it.
: >:
: >: All GW-Info messages are archived at
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: >sorted using the search
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: >: of the message.
: >
: >If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original
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: >your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending
: >your message to gw-info@gwmicro.com so the entire list will receive it.
: >
: >All GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo,
: >and can be searched through and sorted using the search
: >form at the bottom of the page.
: >
: >If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, send a message to
: >listserv@gwmicro.com and include leave gw-info in the body
: >of the message.
:
:
: Doug Geoffray
: GW Micro, Inc.
: Voice 260-489-3671
: Fax 260-489-2608
: http://www.gwmicro.com
:
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