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From:
"Chris" <blindcat7@gmail.com>Subject:
[Off Topic] Re: new smart led tvs.Date:
Mon, Oct 8, 2012 2:18:24 amWas not goint to post further, but I provided some incorrect information and
had to correct it anyway rather than mislead any potential users. I've been
on this list for quite some time, and discussion of other technologies has
been permitted in the past. The line has mostly been drawn when the GW
related traffic on the list is at a high volume and when discussion of
competing products becomes an issue. Since GW has worked with Apple on more
than one occasion, and since there are no competing products involved, I
think some leeway is, at least by long tradition, allowed. The error here
was that none of us participating remembered to put the off topic tag in the
subject line which would have made it easier for those not interested to hit
the delete key.
GW chose to make this an unmoderated list, and by and far we do well, the
vast majority of off topic threads are short, properly labelled and do not
appear on the list during high traffic periods. The fact is that it can be
hard to determine on and off topic today. So many products work with GW
Micro's products in one way or another and so many technology newbies use
this list that it is hard not to get sidetracked or to have to deal with
something with a tangential connection. For example, because of the way
Amazon has designed their Amazon Instant store, it is pretty much impossible
to use it with any device other than a Kindle, and here I am just assuming
since those are not accessible, without using a PC with a screen reader
like, say, Window Eyes. Why? Because, while their various apps for portable
devices will play videos in one's library, one cannot add to said library
without logging on to one's Amazon account on one's computer. It turns out
that I was incorrect about the Apple TV though, they have not as of yet
added support for Amazon Instant, only for Hulu plus, what they did add was
an app for the iPad that allows one to watch one's video library on an iPad,
though they still have to use Window Eyes or another screen reader on their
computer to purchase or rent a movie. Hopefully as Apple is trying to
position themselves as the top film and television provider among
manufacturer's of streaming devices, this will change, but personally I
would happily take them making the Amazon Instant player compatible with
Window Eyes, then I could get all of that content that has been wasting away
in my Amazon account by running a single cable from my PC to my A/V receiver
and then compare accessibility of Hulu and the other services on the TV to
that on the AppleTV so that I can get best access to everything. I think
that if Apple, Roku or any of the other manufacturers would contract GW
Micro, they could have a single device that does all and is accessible as
well. Perhaps since Microsoft already works with GW Micro on some things,
they could work with them on the replacement to the X-Box 360 and with full
speech, speech recognition and gesture recognition have the most accessible
media device for the blind turn out to be a video game console. Stranger
things have happened.
Although I showed how this topic does, indeed touch at least somewhat on
Window Eyes, I did go ahead and add the off topic tag so that those who are
disinterested can delete the message without reading it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Barry
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:46 AM
To: Chris ; Chris Hill ; gw-info@gwmicro.com
Subject: Re: new smart led tvs.
How is this related to GW-Micro?
Answer: it isn't and shows a singular lack of respect to GW.
At 02:04 AM 10/7/2012, Chris wrote:
>Yes the AppleTV will do Amazon Instant Video. They added support for that
>and for Hulu plus a couple of months ago. I do not own one, so can't
>comment on how well VoiceOver works with the box, but have read posts from
>quite a few people who are more than satisfied. Support for Hulu plus and
>Amazon Instant Video, in that order, were actually the reason I had not yet
>purchased an AppleTV. So now I am just waiting to find out how well the
>support has been implemented and what bonuses and bugs have come along with
>the intro of iOS 6.
>
>Also, the ITv app, one that is mainly for getting schedules comes with a
>remote control function for Roku products. I do not know if this
>functionality is accessible, nobody on Applevis has posted any reviews
>after using the app's remote function, but the other elements are said to
>be quite accessible. I guess nobody, including me wants to spend the money
>on a Roku player and then find that the remote functions are not
>accessible.
>
>It may be possible, at least for US consumers, to get accessible smart TVs
>in the near future. I am not sure when the deadline is for manufacturers to
>come into compliance, often they get quite a long grace period for things
>like this, but there is a law on the books that will require all electronic
>devices from communication devices to consumer electronics and appliances
>to be made fully accessible by the time the law is fully in effect, but I
>don't think the first provisions even start to go into effect until 2013 or
>2014 and anyone who has watched legislation on equal access go into effect
>knows that it always takes longer than it should and often requires the
>Justice Department to file suits against some who take their time getting
>into compliance. The truly sad part in this particular case is that the
>industries involved have already had something like two years to be working
>on the problem and there are already examples of corporations that started
>seriously working on accessibility before there was any law in place to
>force them and they seem to have managed to accomplish a lot without
>massive extra work and expense.
>
>Regards,
>
>Chris
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Chris Hill
>Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:15 PM
>To: gw-info@gwmicro.com
>Subject: Re: new smart led tvs.
>
>Not likely. These are probably running some form of linux, which may be
>quite difficult to change. If you want smart tv options, I understand
>the apple tv may be of interest. It has its own speec. As far as I
>know, it won't do Amazon instant video, so I've not tried one.
>
>
>
>On 10/5/2012 21:50, Les Gordon www.cdrdvdr.com wrote:
>>hello everyone, with the release of the new smart tvs that have online
>>access and web brousing, and core 2 processors and usb ports, will it be
>>possible for wineyes to work on those tvs to read the screen menus?
>>using a external hd for wineyes?
>>maybe this might be something for gw. to investigate. thanks les
>>Sales & Customer Service
>>Duplication & custom Printing
>>Les Gordon
>>ph: (866)356-2602
>>fx: (866)259-5876
>>email: mrdvd@comcast.net <mailto:mrdvd@comcast.net>
>>web: www.cdrdvdr.com <http://www.cdrdvdr.com>;
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had to correct it anyway rather than mislead any potential users. I've been
on this list for quite some time, and discussion of other technologies has
been permitted in the past. The line has mostly been drawn when the GW
related traffic on the list is at a high volume and when discussion of
competing products becomes an issue. Since GW has worked with Apple on more
than one occasion, and since there are no competing products involved, I
think some leeway is, at least by long tradition, allowed. The error here
was that none of us participating remembered to put the off topic tag in the
subject line which would have made it easier for those not interested to hit
the delete key.
GW chose to make this an unmoderated list, and by and far we do well, the
vast majority of off topic threads are short, properly labelled and do not
appear on the list during high traffic periods. The fact is that it can be
hard to determine on and off topic today. So many products work with GW
Micro's products in one way or another and so many technology newbies use
this list that it is hard not to get sidetracked or to have to deal with
something with a tangential connection. For example, because of the way
Amazon has designed their Amazon Instant store, it is pretty much impossible
to use it with any device other than a Kindle, and here I am just assuming
since those are not accessible, without using a PC with a screen reader
like, say, Window Eyes. Why? Because, while their various apps for portable
devices will play videos in one's library, one cannot add to said library
without logging on to one's Amazon account on one's computer. It turns out
that I was incorrect about the Apple TV though, they have not as of yet
added support for Amazon Instant, only for Hulu plus, what they did add was
an app for the iPad that allows one to watch one's video library on an iPad,
though they still have to use Window Eyes or another screen reader on their
computer to purchase or rent a movie. Hopefully as Apple is trying to
position themselves as the top film and television provider among
manufacturer's of streaming devices, this will change, but personally I
would happily take them making the Amazon Instant player compatible with
Window Eyes, then I could get all of that content that has been wasting away
in my Amazon account by running a single cable from my PC to my A/V receiver
and then compare accessibility of Hulu and the other services on the TV to
that on the AppleTV so that I can get best access to everything. I think
that if Apple, Roku or any of the other manufacturers would contract GW
Micro, they could have a single device that does all and is accessible as
well. Perhaps since Microsoft already works with GW Micro on some things,
they could work with them on the replacement to the X-Box 360 and with full
speech, speech recognition and gesture recognition have the most accessible
media device for the blind turn out to be a video game console. Stranger
things have happened.
Although I showed how this topic does, indeed touch at least somewhat on
Window Eyes, I did go ahead and add the off topic tag so that those who are
disinterested can delete the message without reading it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Barry
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:46 AM
To: Chris ; Chris Hill ; gw-info@gwmicro.com
Subject: Re: new smart led tvs.
How is this related to GW-Micro?
Answer: it isn't and shows a singular lack of respect to GW.
At 02:04 AM 10/7/2012, Chris wrote:
>Yes the AppleTV will do Amazon Instant Video. They added support for that
>and for Hulu plus a couple of months ago. I do not own one, so can't
>comment on how well VoiceOver works with the box, but have read posts from
>quite a few people who are more than satisfied. Support for Hulu plus and
>Amazon Instant Video, in that order, were actually the reason I had not yet
>purchased an AppleTV. So now I am just waiting to find out how well the
>support has been implemented and what bonuses and bugs have come along with
>the intro of iOS 6.
>
>Also, the ITv app, one that is mainly for getting schedules comes with a
>remote control function for Roku products. I do not know if this
>functionality is accessible, nobody on Applevis has posted any reviews
>after using the app's remote function, but the other elements are said to
>be quite accessible. I guess nobody, including me wants to spend the money
>on a Roku player and then find that the remote functions are not
>accessible.
>
>It may be possible, at least for US consumers, to get accessible smart TVs
>in the near future. I am not sure when the deadline is for manufacturers to
>come into compliance, often they get quite a long grace period for things
>like this, but there is a law on the books that will require all electronic
>devices from communication devices to consumer electronics and appliances
>to be made fully accessible by the time the law is fully in effect, but I
>don't think the first provisions even start to go into effect until 2013 or
>2014 and anyone who has watched legislation on equal access go into effect
>knows that it always takes longer than it should and often requires the
>Justice Department to file suits against some who take their time getting
>into compliance. The truly sad part in this particular case is that the
>industries involved have already had something like two years to be working
>on the problem and there are already examples of corporations that started
>seriously working on accessibility before there was any law in place to
>force them and they seem to have managed to accomplish a lot without
>massive extra work and expense.
>
>Regards,
>
>Chris
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Chris Hill
>Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:15 PM
>To: gw-info@gwmicro.com
>Subject: Re: new smart led tvs.
>
>Not likely. These are probably running some form of linux, which may be
>quite difficult to change. If you want smart tv options, I understand
>the apple tv may be of interest. It has its own speec. As far as I
>know, it won't do Amazon instant video, so I've not tried one.
>
>
>
>On 10/5/2012 21:50, Les Gordon www.cdrdvdr.com wrote:
>>hello everyone, with the release of the new smart tvs that have online
>>access and web brousing, and core 2 processors and usb ports, will it be
>>possible for wineyes to work on those tvs to read the screen menus?
>>using a external hd for wineyes?
>>maybe this might be something for gw. to investigate. thanks les
>>Sales & Customer Service
>>Duplication & custom Printing
>>Les Gordon
>>ph: (866)356-2602
>>fx: (866)259-5876
>>email: mrdvd@comcast.net <mailto:mrdvd@comcast.net>
>>web: www.cdrdvdr.com <http://www.cdrdvdr.com>;
>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender
>only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is
>related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to
>gw-info@gwmicro.com so the entire list will receive it.
>
>GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can
>manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender
>only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is
>related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to
>gw-info@gwmicro.com so the entire list will receive it.
>
>GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can
>manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
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