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Bryan PetersonSubject:
Re: latest firefox refreshes more?Date:
Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:06:39 amAnd like I said the option of a payment plan with unrestricted use of the
program as you pay was the final straw for me. You ask a company like FS for
something like that and you'd be lucky if all that happened was you gt
laughed off the phone. i probably wouldn't have been a staunch JFW user for
ten years like I was had my school, not to mention the Commission for the
Blind, even hinted that there might be other options available. Well at the
time the only other option I knew of was OutSpoken, which was the only
available screen reader for Mack computers back in '95 or so, and the speech
quality was rather abysmal to be honest. But heaven forbid they tell me
about WIndow-Eyes (or Vocal Eyes as I imagine it was called back then). If I
ever have kids and if any of them should end up being blind I'll definitely
make sure there are many options available besides whatever the school
thinks they should learn. Of course i'll be biased in Window-Eyes' favor but
I'll still make sure they know of as many different options as possible.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunshine"
To: "Bryan Peterson" ; "Louis"
; "Tom Kingston"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: latest firefox refreshes more?
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program as you pay was the final straw for me. You ask a company like FS for
something like that and you'd be lucky if all that happened was you gt
laughed off the phone. i probably wouldn't have been a staunch JFW user for
ten years like I was had my school, not to mention the Commission for the
Blind, even hinted that there might be other options available. Well at the
time the only other option I knew of was OutSpoken, which was the only
available screen reader for Mack computers back in '95 or so, and the speech
quality was rather abysmal to be honest. But heaven forbid they tell me
about WIndow-Eyes (or Vocal Eyes as I imagine it was called back then). If I
ever have kids and if any of them should end up being blind I'll definitely
make sure there are many options available besides whatever the school
thinks they should learn. Of course i'll be biased in Window-Eyes' favor but
I'll still make sure they know of as many different options as possible.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunshine"
To: "Bryan Peterson" ; "Louis"
; "Tom Kingston"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: latest firefox refreshes more?
Bryan, well said very well said i at one time was also a stanch user of
jaws but when i found out things that made me sit up and take a look i
turned around and said hellow window eyes, welcome home to a great
experience, and ever since i am a strong, supporter of gwmicro, and will
continue to be.
It is truely sad when schools, and other establishments like govermental,
and private companies do not let people bring to the table other
sulations
to make things work better.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Peterson"
To: "Louis" ; "Tom Kingston"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: latest firefox refreshes more?
I agree. I was a staunch JFW user until about three years ago when I
discovered that te latest version of JFW wouldn't read PDF documents
correctly without some modification to a setting in Adobe Acrobat or even
JFW itself. I need hardly point out that when I discovered that
Window-Eyes
reads them correctly right out of the box the decision to switch was easy.
And since GW offers two payment plans it was easy for me to buy it despite
being unemployed. So the fact that the Commission for the Blind wouldn't
pay
for it didn't matter. Needless to say though Browse Mode gets refreshed a
lot on sites like Youtube and though this is slightly inconvenient I'm
more
than willing to wait for the problem to be fixed if such a solution can be
found. I like that GW doesn't rush their updates the way other companies
seem to. I've had folks tell me that the reason they rush is because they
have more customers, but I can't help wondering if that would continue to
be
treu if the schools and agencies who have contracts with the competition
actually informed their clients that there were indeed other options
available.
We are the Knights who say...Ni!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis"
To: "Tom Kingston"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: latest firefox refreshes more?
Raul my sympathies go out to you and the rest of the GW staff as well.Window Eyes isn't perfect but it is sure excelent and Window Eyes
offers more value and more enhancements compared to other screenreaders. One of these enhancements is Script Central. If browse mode
is bothering people so much can't they write a script for it until GWcomes out with a new update? Honestly in my experience Window Eyes has
been the best screen reader I've ever used. I just wish more schoolsand companies would use it rather than the competition. Thanks for
doing the great work you are doing.
Louis
On 7/27/10, Tom Kingston wrote:The double edged sword here is that everyone at GW suffers from theinsidious disability of being only mere humans. And if that's not bad
enough, open and honest to boot. My sympathies go out to you, Raul, andthe
rest of the gang. wink-wink. ;)
Tom
----- Original Message -----From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
To: "GW Info Discussion List"Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: latest firefox refreshes more?
Hello all, quite honestly I sometimes wish nothing was ever said aboutrewriting browse mode. Why? Because it's frustrating when every time
there
is a problem with an application which uses browse mode doesn't workquite
right, we get beaten over the head with that statement. This is a
perfectexample why some companies choose to never let on what is coming in
nextreleases. Not only that, but when browse mode rewriting was mentioned,
wedidn't know what all other programs and other things would need our
attention. How thoughtless of us to try and keep Window-Eyes stable andup-to-date in other areas. I personally like that we keep our customers
informed about what is going on, but at the same time, this has adouble-edge in that it comes back to bite us when we don't deliver the
day
it's mentioned either.
Many thanks.
On 7/27/2010 5:50 PM, Don H wrote:It is coming up on two years since GW has had a major release of WE.It is long over due for the new browse mode which I hope fixes such
problems.
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*From:* Sr91black@aol.com [mailto:Sr91black@aol.com]*Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:24 PM
*To:* raul@gwmicro.com; gw-info@gwmicro.com*Subject:* Re: latest firefox refreshes more?
It is sure not getting any better. GwMicro needs to fix their own
problems. How is it that NVDA is free and works better with firefox? Iam not sure what are we paying all that money for? If this keeps up I
will think about switching to System Access. Serotek listens to theircustomers needs and improves the product.
Thank You
In a message dated 7/27/2010 5:06:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
raul@gwmicro.com writes:
Hi, I know I certainly find it more refreshing...Especially on ahot
daylike today. Just install the lemonaid theme and it makes for a
refreshing experience.
Cheers!
On 7/27/2010 4:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:> Is it just me or is the latest firefox refreshing more than
everbefore?
>
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