From:

 Trenton Matthews

Subject:

 Re: Window-eyes Browse Mode Support

Date:

 Thu, Oct 23, 2008 6:46:37 pm

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Which I say that feature should go away from every, other, screen reader!
Its annoying just being there!
Ok, now where we...

On 10/23/2008 2:42 PM, Chip Orange wrote:

As for the spacebar, that's windows which has defined it to work as a
single left click. I believe that's why it works to activate links.

Chip

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*From:* Trenton Matthews [mailto:tmantv@hotmail.com]

*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:18 PM
*To:* gw-info@gwmicro.com

*Subject:* Re: Window-eyes Browse Mode Support

To quote from the scripts documentation:

"IE Max seeks to maximize the functionality of Internet Explorer
for a

Window-Eyes user, exploiting features from both the IE object
model and

the WE browse mode. The script is intended to make clipping,
combining,

and saving parts of web pages as convenient as possible."

Now, when the "new" browse mode support is finalized, most of the
commands will not work as they use to, because the actual access keys

will actually work! Now, if Window-eyes didn't suport the use of
"showing" what access keys were on a page, I wouldn't have problem

with
this. Except, that Window-eyes "does!" support the showing of these,

thereby most users thinking that they can simply press "alt+j" for
example, to highlight a link, such as "join us." The thing is, in

browse
mode, you can't, because it doesn't have the functionality to do so.

Now, with System Access, and with Hal (dolphin's screen reader,"
you can

still jump to a link like that, however both screen readers don't
announce keys.

Now, I thought
that this feature was in the IE Max script, but it is in the "homer

layout" one, where Jamal gives the functionality of pressing
"control+up/down-arrow" to move correctly to a paragraph, the

"windows!"
way. This is also the case in NVDA as well.

Now, the great thing about WE here, is that pressing space "does

not!"
activate a link, because its not suppose to. Why all the others do

that,
i don't know. Could someone explain that for me please if they

can? And
finally, for "dolphins," sake of things, who would make a screen

reader
use the insert key, to activate a link? That is totally out of the

question!

~ Pastor Gil Pries wrote:
> Hi,

> What exactly does that ie max script do?
> Never used it.

> Pastor Gil
>

> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Trenton Matthews

> *To:* gwinfo@gwmicro.com ;
> gw-info@gwmicro.com

> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Window-eyes Browse Mode Support

>
> I note of one concern with the new browse mode coming soon:

> What's gonna happen to Jamal's wonderful IE Max script? A lot of
> changes

> would have to be made.
> Trenton Matthews wrote:

>> Hello to everyone.
>>

>> A few discoveries in browse mode need to be told here that are
> not so

>> wonderful, comparing to other screen readers, leaving out "The
> Shark,"

>> as it doesn't mean anything here!
>>

>> 1.
>>

>> 1. In Jamals Homer Layout script, the correct paragraph keys for
> windows

>> "control+up/down-arrows," can be used along-side the
>> "p/shift-p" commands inside the original

>> brows mode. I'm hoping that can be added to the updated browse
> mode in

>> the next update.
>> 2. Combow-boxes I know can be interactive with by pressing

enter on
>> them, however i wish for them to be interacted the triditional

> way of
>> "alt+up/down-arrow" keys without leaving to turn off browse mode.

>> 3. For anyone that's played with the Hal screen reader from
> Dolphin, I

>> wonder if if the new browse mode can be like the "interactive
> mode" that

>> dolphin has.
>>

>> 4. Access keys in Firefox and Explorer need to be interacted
> with the

>> correct way, of "alt+its letter," or "alt-shift+its letter" in
> firefox

>> 3. Now, because window-eyes has to have browse mode turned off
when

>> trying to go straight to these links, its more of a
>> cumbersome task than anything. I say, in the next version,

"alt+f5"
>> should be the new "refresh-roter" hotkey.

>>
>> Hope that any of these suggestions can be thought upon.

>>
>> Trenton

>>
>>

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