From:

 Alan R. Downing

Subject:

 Re: vista

Date:

 Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:58:54 pm

Well, what ever is supposed to be wrong with Vista I haven't happened upon
yet. I have only had this PC since early September, so perhaps one of these
days in the not too distant future, I'll come in here and the whole box will
be on fire or something.




----- Original Message -----
From: "John Panarese"
To: "Gw-Info@Gwmicro. Com"
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: vista

When the day is done, the end user is the one to decide what works
for them in the most comfortable way, so if it is Vista, it is Vista. If

it's XP, it's XP. My only point to my messages were that a vast majority
of users were not making the Vista choice for both general and specific

reasons. Where my brother works, there is a standing order from
corporate headquarters that No Machines ordered can include Vista and a

downgrade option has to be part of any purchase if Vista is the only OS
available. I do have to disagree that this is a lot different than 2001.

Yes, XP surely did not get off with a bang, but Vista has been a
technical and financial disaster for Microsoft by a far comparison

according to the Wall Street Journal and several other sources. XP, at
least, was working reasonably well within six months of launch with a

patch. I am being told that the next patch for Vista is still al long
ways off from fixing major issues, but that, I am sure, will be seen for

sure next year. At some point, I have no doubt things will improve, yet,
again, personally, I'll wait until that occurs.

Take Care

John D. Panarese

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On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

Hi. I agree here, and I use Vista . Let's step back a little
though. Instead of looking at this in November of 2007, let's look at in

February of 2001. Change Vista to XP and the comments are pretty much
the same. Basically when a new operating system comes out, it's going to

have problems. Vista is no different. So, if you and everyone looks at
it like this, everyone can have a better appreciation for reality. If

you can upgrade and you want to, then go for it. Window-Eyes still
supports XP home and XP pro so, the screen reader is not a factor. You

basically need to decide for yourselves if the benefits of a new
operating system outweigh the problems associated with it. Then there

are the new machines now-a- days from big companies like HP, Gateway, and
Dell. In most cases you have no choice as to the operating system you

choose.

OK, I'm done with my rant .

Ray's Home said the following on 11/13/2007 3:12 PM:

Might I add to John's post too that a UK computer magazine surveyed
more than 800 PC users, and more than a third have no intention of

upgrading to Vista. Not only have bugs and things like responsiveness
to be sorted, but also many feel there isn't enough bang for the bucks

either. (Remember that many will have to upgrade hardware, as I
would, to use anything other than Vista Basic.)

Another issue that's vexing me big time is Vista's disabling of
line-out recording. (This is happening under XP too as Microsoft are

smuggling in drivers to disable line out and digital out on many
soundcards. This really is a restriction too far. I use my computer

a lot for audio work, sometimes copying out material I own my self, or
sometimes from Uk radio, which the BBC is very tolerant of being a

public service broadcaster. I shall do all in my power to avoid this
obnoxious dictatorial behaviour of multi-nationals and their

organisations. (I' don't share stuff on the net, and never will.)
More on-topic, some do like some of the navigation facilities in

Vista, and its not without its ironies that access tech users are
pleased enough with Vista simply because SCREEN READERS TURN OFF MANY

OF THE FEATURES THAT GIVE SO MUCH TROUBLE TO MAINSTREAM USERS. I
believe Window-Eyes would be the most hassel-free way of using Vista

of all the screen readers.
End by saying that it isn't for nothing I'm looking seriously at the

Mac now. Of course, being Intel machines , they will run Windows,
either dual boot, or virtualised. Window-Eyes will continue to be my

screen reader under that arrangement. I'm not a 'born again' sort of
person who looks to switching entirely to the Mac. (Might even look

to Linux if it preserves my conscientious recording of on-line radio
material.

Sorry for the rant and rambling nature of this message, but seems
change is being forced on me, and if I can help it, not in the

direction that the media industries or MS wants to dictate to me.
Cheers,

From Ray
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-----Original Message-----

From: John Panarese [mailto:jpanarese@gmail.com]
I guess the real question is where aren't the problems

documented. Seriously, just do a google search for Windows Vista and
there are plenty of articles, blogs and other sources that speak of

numerous issues. Obviously, not every user in the world is having
them and Window-Eyes has solidly dealt with them, but I tend to stick

to what is the school of thought when it is so entirely prevalent in
the technology world. XP gets the job done and I find no need or

desire to upgrade. And, yes, as someone else mentioned, many
companies, including Dell, now offer Vista downgrades because market

forces have provoked such a need.
Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
9 Nolan Court

Hauppauge, NY 11788
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On Nov 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Loy wrote:

With Window Eyes, I have not run into any difficulties as yet. Have
been using it since January. Are these associated problems been

documented anywhere? Although I like Vista and have had no
problems, I prefer XP just because I am more familiar with all its

features.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Panarese"

To: "Loy"
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:02 PM

Subject: Re: vista

Personally, and this is not in an effort to start any list

controversy or debate, but I have too many friends in the IT world
who

have advised staying away from Vista for a while. Yes, I know of a
few folks and I'm sure there are people using it effectively, but

body

of evidence to the contrary out there is far too overwhelming to

ignore. I have a problem with an OS that requires turning off
features simply to get it to work acceptably well. Additionally,

the

list of associated problems, which are well documented even by

Microsoft, give me serious pause to think about jumping from XP any
time in the near future. However, it is, of course, just my

personal

opinion.

Take Care

John D. Panarese

Managing Director
Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.

9 Nolan Court
Hauppauge, NY 11788

Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479
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On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Loy wrote:

One thing to remember if you have any adaptive software that is not

Vista compatible you will need to upgrade , this can be expensive.
Otherwise go for it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Tinney"

To: "GW Micro"
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:36 AM

Subject: Re: vista

Hi,

Just my 2 cents, but I don't know why anyone would upgrade XP to
Vista when

most savvy computer users are downgrading new vista machines to XP.
Bob, tinneyb@charter.net, K8LR

Skype name: BobTinn
Life is full of challenges, that's what makes it interesting!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Wright"

To: "will"
Cc:

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: vista

Yes. And the different flavors of Windows Vista don't take a lot

more ram
than the ones lower on the ladder. If you don't use Aero you'll be

fine
without any more memory, unless you're doing video editing or

something.

JW

will wrote:

hi could i run vista home premium by using an upgrade dvd
from

xp, on this laptop?
AMD athlon 3800 plus, 2.4 ghz

ati graphics, radion 200 i think
1 gig of ram?

will
or, could ir un a higher vista if i got, say 1 extra gig?

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