From:

 John Panarese

Subject:

 Re: vista

Date:

 Wed, Nov 14, 2007 12:52:34 pm

When the day is done, the end user is the one to decide what
works for them in the most comfortable way, so if it is Vista, it is
Vista. If it's XP, it's XP. My only point to my messages were that a
vast majority of users were not making the Vista choice for both
general and specific reasons. Where my brother works, there is a
standing order from corporate headquarters that No Machines ordered
can include Vista and a downgrade option has to be part of any
purchase if Vista is the only OS available. I do have to disagree
that this is a lot different than 2001. Yes, XP surely did not get
off with a bang, but Vista has been a technical and financial disaster
for Microsoft by a far comparison according to the Wall Street Journal
and several other sources. XP, at least, was working reasonably well
within six months of launch with a patch. I am being told that the
next patch for Vista is still al long ways off from fixing major
issues, but that, I am sure, will be seen for sure next year. At some
point, I have no doubt things will improve, yet, again, personally,
I'll wait until that occurs.

Take Care

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On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

Hi. I agree here, and I use Vista . Let's step back a little
though. Instead of looking at this in November of 2007, let's look

at in February of 2001. Change Vista to XP and the comments are
pretty much the same. Basically when a new operating system comes

out, it's going to have problems. Vista is no different. So, if you
and everyone looks at it like this, everyone can have a better

appreciation for reality. If you can upgrade and you want to, then
go for it. Window-Eyes still supports XP home and XP pro so, the

screen reader is not a factor. You basically need to decide for
yourselves if the benefits of a new operating system outweigh the

problems associated with it. Then there are the new machines now-a-
days from big companies like HP, Gateway, and Dell. In most cases

you have no choice as to the operating system you choose.

OK, I'm done with my rant .

Ray's Home said the following on 11/13/2007 3:12 PM:

Might I add to John's post too that a UK computer magazine surveyed
more than 800 PC users, and more than a third have no intention of

upgrading to Vista. Not only have bugs and things like
responsiveness

to be sorted, but also many feel there isn't enough bang for the
bucks

either. (Remember that many will have to upgrade hardware, as I
would, to use anything other than Vista Basic.)

Another issue that's vexing me big time is Vista's disabling of
line-out recording. (This is happening under XP too as Microsoft are

smuggling in drivers to disable line out and digital out on many
soundcards. This really is a restriction too far. I use my computer

a lot for audio work, sometimes copying out material I own my self,
or

sometimes from Uk radio, which the BBC is very tolerant of being a
public service broadcaster. I shall do all in my power to avoid this

obnoxious dictatorial behaviour of multi-nationals and their
organisations. (I' don't share stuff on the net, and never will.)

More on-topic, some do like some of the navigation facilities in
Vista, and its not without its ironies that access tech users are

pleased enough with Vista simply because SCREEN READERS TURN OFF MANY
OF THE FEATURES THAT GIVE SO MUCH TROUBLE TO MAINSTREAM USERS. I

believe Window-Eyes would be the most hassel-free way of using Vista
of all the screen readers.

End by saying that it isn't for nothing I'm looking seriously at the
Mac now. Of course, being Intel machines , they will run Windows,

either dual boot, or virtualised. Window-Eyes will continue to be my
screen reader under that arrangement. I'm not a 'born again' sort of

person who looks to switching entirely to the Mac. (Might even look
to Linux if it preserves my conscientious recording of on-line radio

material.
Sorry for the rant and rambling nature of this message, but seems

change is being forced on me, and if I can help it, not in the
direction that the media industries or MS wants to dictate to me.

Cheers,
From Ray

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Panarese [mailto:jpanarese@gmail.com]

I guess the real question is where aren't the problems
documented. Seriously, just do a google search for Windows Vista and

there are plenty of articles, blogs and other sources that speak of
numerous issues. Obviously, not every user in the world is having

them and Window-Eyes has solidly dealt with them, but I tend to stick
to what is the school of thought when it is so entirely prevalent in

the technology world. XP gets the job done and I find no need or
desire to upgrade. And, yes, as someone else mentioned, many

companies, including Dell, now offer Vista downgrades because market
forces have provoked such a need.

Take Care
John D. Panarese

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On Nov 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Loy wrote:

With Window Eyes, I have not run into any difficulties as yet. Have

been using it since January. Are these associated problems been
documented anywhere? Although I like Vista and have had no

problems, I prefer XP just because I am more familiar with all its
features.

----- Original Message -----

From: "John Panarese"
To: "Loy"

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: vista

Personally, and this is not in an effort to start any list
controversy or debate, but I have too many friends in the IT world

who

have advised staying away from Vista for a while. Yes, I know of a

few folks and I'm sure there are people using it effectively, but
body

of evidence to the contrary out there is far too overwhelming to
ignore. I have a problem with an OS that requires turning off

features simply to get it to work acceptably well. Additionally,
the

list of associated problems, which are well documented even by
Microsoft, give me serious pause to think about jumping from XP any

time in the near future. However, it is, of course, just my
personal

opinion.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Managing Director

Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
9 Nolan Court

Hauppauge, NY 11788
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On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Loy wrote:

One thing to remember if you have any adaptive software that is not
Vista compatible you will need to upgrade , this can be expensive.

Otherwise go for it.
----- Original Message -----

From: "Bob Tinney"
To: "GW Micro"

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: vista

Hi,
Just my 2 cents, but I don't know why anyone would upgrade XP to

Vista when
most savvy computer users are downgrading new vista machines to XP.

Bob, tinneyb@charter.net, K8LR
Skype name: BobTinn

Life is full of challenges, that's what makes it interesting!
----- Original Message -----

From: "Jared Wright"
To: "will"

Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:48 AM

Subject: Re: vista

Yes. And the different flavors of Windows Vista don't take a lot
more ram

than the ones lower on the ladder. If you don't use Aero you'll be
fine

without any more memory, unless you're doing video editing or
something.

JW

will wrote:

hi could i run vista home premium by using an upgrade dvd

from
xp, on this laptop?

AMD athlon 3800 plus, 2.4 ghz
ati graphics, radion 200 i think

1 gig of ram?
will

or, could ir un a higher vista if i got, say 1 extra gig?
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