From:

 Aaron Smith

Subject:

 Re: Accessibility vs. Usability [was Re: some thoughts for window

Date:

 Fri, Jun 8, 2007 10:26:02 am

More or less. Set files are "settings" files, and they can contain every
Window-Eyes setting, including voice parameters (such as rate, pitch,
volume, tone), user defined windows (speak windows, silent windows,
float windows, hyperactive windows), cursoring keys, custom hot keys,
verbosity settings, punctuation settings, screen/keyboard/mouse
customizations, references to character/key
label/exception/graphic/color dictionaries, cursor delays, highlight
options, and so on.

I don't think anyone is saying that set files can do everything that
scripting can, or even come close, but rather that set files do offer a
lot of customization power, and that the combination of scripting and
set files would provide the best of all worlds.

Aaron

Sunshine wrote:

when using set files erron,doug you can correct me if i am wrong isn't a
set file like that of a script file in the fact that window eyes does

all of the figuring for you and you then don't need to write complex
script code to make an ap work?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Grimsby Jr."
To: "'Kevin Huber'"

Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:39 AM

Subject: RE: Accessibility vs. Usability [was Re: some thoughts for
window eyes features?]

This is so true but with scripts we can make the keyboard short cuts there
buy reducing the fall back or exploring position.

-----Original Message-----

From: Kevin Huber [mailto:khuber@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:43 AM

Cc: gw-info@gwmicro.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility vs. Usability [was Re: some thoughts for window

eyes features?]

From: "David Tanner"

To: "Gary King" ,"Aaron Smith"
CC: "GW-Info"

Subject: Re: Accessibility vs. Usability [was Re: some thoughts for
window

eyes features?]
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:52:45 -0500

I sincerely hope that what I am reading in your messages isn't "if I

can
read it with the WE mouse there is no need to make the software more

accessible". That is what I seem to be hearing, and if it is I want to
tell you I strongly object to that attitude because that is a very

slow and

tedious way of operating a computer with speech particularly on a screen
that could be very full of information. I guess I object to a sighted

mouse user telling me or any blind speech user what is good access or not
good access in their biased opinion.

I work with 4 sighted techs, and I see them clicking around a screen

saying
that an app works with speech when the fact is that if they had to put

on a

blind fold and do the same thing they would not be bee bopping around the
screen any place close to as fast as they do. They don't want to

listen to

blind users either.

Sorry, but I don't buy your argument, and I have been using speech
access

for 25 years, and Windows access since 1992.

Bottom line, you might be able to get the job done with the mouse, but
it

will not be efficient or effective, and probably would cost a blind
employee who had to operate that way to loose their job.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Smith"

To: "Gary King"
Cc: "GW-Info"

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility vs. Usability [was Re: some thoughts for

window
eyes features?]

: Gary King wrote:
: > Aaron,

: >
: > In another message, you also seemed to be comparing apples and

oranges
: > when you compared the use of a computer by family members with

that of
: > an advanced, sighted computer user, but I'll forgive you.

:
: Huh? I stated that I know blind users who can out compute family

: members, but I don't recall comparing advanced users to family members.
: Besides, I said apples and bananas, not apples and oranges.

:
: > Given a program that is only accessible with the mouse keys, do you

: > think that the blind members of the GW Micro staff can operate this
: > program as efficiently as you can as a sighted user even if they are

: > equally familiar with the program?
:

: If they are equally familiar with the program, absolutely. Once again,
: sight does not equal knowledge. Raul knows how to get around Quick

Books
: with the mouse. If you sat me down in front of Quick Books, I'd be a

: bumbling fool; I wouldn't know where to begin, and Raul would out
: perform me in a heartbeat. That's not to say I couldn't learn it,

but it
: would take reading through the documentation and exploring all the

: features before it would be a usable application to me.
:

: Knowledge of the application is the barrier breaker; not sight.
:

: Aaron
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Hi:

I don't think anyone is saying that. I think that Aaron is just pointing
out that, if there is no other way to use an application, the mouse keys

are, what one might call, a fallback position.
Sure, it is preferrable to have keyboard shortcuts, but you are not

stuck if

those keyboard shortcuts do not exist.
Kevin Huber

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