From:

 Peter Beasley

Subject:

 Re: Selections Made In Browse Mode and Formatting

Date:

 Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:10:23 am

Surely the point is that blank lines should be copied through. I sincerely
hope that this will be rectified in the next release of Window-eyes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
To: "gw info Discussion List"
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Selections Made In Browse Mode and Formatting

Hi Steve. As you most likely already know, currently you can turn on blank
lines while in browse mode so that when browsing, you know they are there.

It's true that they don't copy through if you copy from browse mode, but
you do have the option of seeing blank lines when in that state.

--

Raul A. Gallegos | GW Micro Tech Support
(260) 489-3671 | http://www.gwmicro.com

----- Original Message -----

From: "Steve Nutt"
To: "'Ray's Home'" ; "'GW Info List'"

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:48 PM

Subject: RE: Selections Made In Browse Mode and Formatting

Hi Ray,

I don't think purism comes into it in this case, because merely rendering
something into a decolumnised state is not reading the screen anyway.

MSAA
by definition breaks purism. But I would like to see at least blank

lines,
paras, etc, honoured, even when browsing a web site. If you turn on

blank
lines for example, they should be honoured, even in browse mode.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----

From: Ray's Home [mailto:rays-home@raynetbrm.plus.com]
Sent: 31 May 2007 18:56

To: GW Info List
Subject: RE: Selections Made In Browse Mode and Formatting

It was browse mode I was referring to in this thread. I think

honouring blank lines would be primarily what I would like to see when
copying to the clip board within browse mode. I might add that PDF

documents too use browse mode too and the same thing regarding copying
and pasting these pages into MS Word applies here too. (With many

PDFs you can cut and paste into Word and have a document available in
a format that's more immediately accessable than in the original PDF

itself.)

Oh, what a controversial area when it comes to enhancements or what
W-E should do or not do. I suppose the rather purist argument that

it should just 'read the screen' would say having the system time and
date accessed via W-E's command isn't a screen reading function.

Personally I think it is justified to have enhancements which go
beyond 'screen reading', especially where getting info from the screen

or video stream or whatever Window-Eyes does, isn't practical. I'm
not asking for fully blown automation as in the opposition' just that

some useful enhancements can be made without compromising stability or
getting broken easily when programs change.

Still, risking straying into technical realms here that I'm not

knowledgeable enough to pursue properly.

From Ray
I can be contacted off-list at:

mailto:ray-48@beeb.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Raul A. Gallegos [mailto:raul@gwmicro.com]

hello Ray. window-Eyes does not have its own copy and paste as you are
writing, or at least how I'm reading your message. When you are in

browse
mode, the page contents is de-columnized and therefore, the format is

destroyed. The select all, copy, cut, or paste commands are sent to
the

clipboard just as if you did it in another application. The difference
being

that if you select all, copy, or cut while you are in browse mode, you
will

get the de-columnized page with no formatting. This will happen
regardless

of whether you are using the standard Windows clipboard or an enhanced
one

like Clipmate.

I seriously doubt that clipboard enhancements will be made to
Window-Eyes

considering that you can already get such enhancements from programs
like

Clipmate.

If however your message was more along the lines of making it so that
Window-Eyes keeps the format when copying while in browse mode, I

already
answered that in another message.

All the best.

--

Raul A. Gallegos | GW Micro Tech Support
(260) 489-3671 | http://www.gwmicro.com

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ray's Home"
To: "GW Info List"

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: Selections Made In Browse Mode and Formatting

I'll certainly second that! Window-Eyes would benefit greatly from

having its clipboard features enhanced.

When preparing text for a local talking newspaper, on the rare
occasions it falls to me, I don't use the W-E copy and paste

commands

at all. Rather I highlight the whole lot in the conventional way
and

paste into x or whatever.

One thing that helps though is if there's a 'print' option on a web

page where the text is formatted properly for you without much
extraneous stuff around it. Then it is simply a case of control-A

to

highlight the whole lot and pasting the result.

So GW, let's have the clipboard featured overhauled please.

From Ray

I can be contacted off-list at:
mailto:ray-48@beeb.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk]

Hi Raul,

I would vote for this too. It annoys me intensely that you can't
even

get
blank lines into the MSAA buffer, so all your paragraphs are mucked

up

when

you paste. Long live proper formatting .

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Raul A. Gallegos [mailto:raul@gwmicro.com]

Hello Jared. I do see where you are coming from. We have marked this

down to

look at ways of getting data into the clipboard while still keeping
the

formatting. In the mean time however, the 2 best ways of getting the
information you need is to either paste the page from a right-click

and
selecting it all, or by viewing the source and extracting the table

code.

--
Raul A. Gallegos | GW Micro Tech Support

(260) 489-3671 | http://www.gwmicro.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Wright"

To:
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:23 AM

Subject: Selections Made In Browse Mode and Formatting

Hello all, I'm relatively certain I haven't missed something and

that

there

is in fact no work around, but I'll put this sentence-long
disclaimer

to let

anyone know that if I have missed something, you can thrash me all
you

like.

*smile*

Recently discussion came up over how to get a table on a web page
converted

into a Word Document without losing its formatting. The best
solution

I
recall reading was turning off browse mode, selecting all, then

pasting the
entire web page into the word document. Finally, you could edit out

the
sections of the page except for the table you were trying to get.

I guess my question is this: why is it seemingly not possible for

Window
Eyes to pass the information about highlighted material to the

browser

itself when in browse mode? I understand that the page itself is
being

displayed in a buffer of sorts for the Wineyes user, but since
Wineyes

can

pass things like activating a control through its created buffer, is
there

some reason why it cannot do the same with highlighting material? Or
some

catch that has convinced GW Micro to handle this issue the way it
does?

I only inquire because, while the fix mentioned above is feasible,

in
some instances it is not very practical. Take, for example, the

following
webpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics

This page contains 7 tables, and in order to pull one over to, say,

a

document, you'd have to put all of this page's content in the

document, then

edit out the six extraneous tables, not to mention the other
substantial

amounts of data the page includes. Some pages are large enough to
where

pasting the entire page into a Word document at once might play some
serious

havoc with system resources.

This also becomes an issue even when pasting a paragraph from an

article
into a document.. Since the Wineyes buffer essentially displays

embedded
links (usually for crossreferencing), italics, etc. on their own

lines, the

formatting is no longer identical to the original page. And this
modified

formatting is what is pasted over into your document or whatever the
desired

destination for the material is.

As always, not trying to come across as chillin here in my little

cubbyhole and finding faults with Wineyes. Just something that I'd
like to

know any possible explanations for. Cleaning up excess line breaks
in

a
snipet of writing isn't so bad, but when you get to wanting to pull

things a

bit larger in scale, you either do a lot of editing to get the
unwanted

material out of the destination or have to do some real work on the
part you

copied over from the Wineyes buffer. Either way, copying content

straight
from the page becomes a lot less practical. Thanks for any thoughts

on

this

one.

Jared

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