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From:
"Dennis" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>Subject:
Re: On GW Connect AdvertisementDate:
Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:41:39 amI agree if those people don't like the adds pay for the add free. If you
could see your screen would have adds no different. if it's that much of an
issue pay for the program just that simple.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Rimer" <jared@lists.jaredrimer.net>
To: <gw-apps@gwmicro.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: On GW Connect Advertisement
>I do believe that on the advertisements page, you have to submit something
>to GW, but I don't remember anything about an audio based advertisement.
>While I'm a Window-Eyes user, so I get no adds whatsoever, other platforms
>like RS and Skype and even the web are full of adds. Like I said before,
>nothing is 100 percent free. I even had advertisements on my Internet
>stream which were paid for and run. Right now I have none, so none are
>being run. But if it helps pay the bills, than thats what needs to go. I'm
>curious when GW started allowing audio as I don't remember seeing that as
>an option on their page describing the program.
>
> On 8/8/2013 4:51 AM, Michael Capelle wrote:
>> people, give me a break!
>> many web sites have adds on them. on regular skype, sighted people see
>> adds on there screen.
>> don't like the adds, buy the program!
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Massey
>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:33 AM
>> To: gw-apps@gwmicro.com
>> Subject: RE: On GW Connect Advertisement
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey. I'm responding because you aren't the first person to mention
>> what have been called intrusive ads. There just hasn't been as much
>> information provided by anyone explaining what has happened. Now that
>> you have provided as much information about the ads, maybe Gw Micro will
>> be able to further investigate why those ads were heard by Gw Connect
>> users. Now I understand even more why some folks on this list were so
>> annoyed by what have been called intrusive ads. While I realize that Gw
>> Micro has to make money to stay in business, I, like Jeffrey and others,
>> do not want to hear audio advertisements suddenly popping up in the
>> background considering how Jeffrey explained the way in which he
>> encountered the ad. That would, as the tweat provided by Jeffrey put
>> it, "creep me out" too if I hadn't known about this thread. I am
>> requesting that Gw Micro keep the audio ads from appearing so as not to
>> cause such frustration. No wonder list members experiencing these ads
>> made such a fuss, smile.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike M.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeffrey Rainey [mailto:Jeffrey_rainey@rogers.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 3:27 AM
>> To: gw-apps@gwmicro.com
>> Subject: On GW Connect Advertisement
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've noticed the changes in GWConnect, and I could not bite my tongue.
>>
>> I have been a GWConnect user from the very beginning, and have found it
>> a very nice and clutter-free application with all of the functionality
>> of the skype client. I have also seen the heated debates that broke out
>> over twitter not long after its release, constituting what makes
>> freeware software. I took no interest in these debates, as the
>> semantics, to me, were insignificant and unrelated to how the software
>> was written and how it ran. The ads themselves were controllable if you
>> were using a screen reader other than Window-eyes, so in my situation it
>> was a minimal price to pay (if you'll forgive the pun.)
>>
>> Fast forward more than a year and a half later. One morning I hear a
>> voice in my left channel talking about leadership is spirit, and I could
>> not figure out where it was coming from. My first concern was that it
>> was a virus, but I did not get any pop-up windows or any other alerts
>> that would suggest so. In fact, I even asked for help on twitter, asking
>> where this virus could potentially be embedded, and the unabridged tweet
>> is as follows: Jeffrey Rainey: I'm hearing a random voiceover for what
>> sounds like Dynamic Pona in my left channel. This is creeping me out
>> because it sounds like a virus, but I don't know where to check for it.
>>
>> Thankfully I found that it was an ad for GWConnect, but that doesn't
>> mean I approve of it any more. I would like to know why audio and
>> musical ads are now incorporated into the software, if the user has no
>> control over them. I understand that it is a profitable endeavour, and I
>> don't have a problem with a business trying to make money. What I do
>> have a problem with, however, is that this type of promotion is
>> extremely obtrusive in any piece of software, whether free and with ads
>> or paid, and as far as I know, has never been forced into any other
>> software packages. Even if it were, in my opinion, it is not a good
>> practice to follow.
>>
>> My suggestion is that these audio ads be written out so that a screen
>> reader can read them aloud, and the user has the choice of whether they
>> choose to hear them or not. It is not assumed that the user must be
>> forced to hear these ads as some sort of catch 22 for using the non-paid
>> version of this software.
>>
>> Ads appear in free versions of software all the time. RS games has them,
>> apps for mobile platforms have them as well for both blind and sighted
>> users alike, and any user of a program or app has the right to be
>> frustrated with an amber-alert-style ad of which they have no control.
>>
>> I hope this message, as well as others like it is given serious thought,
>> because I would hate to have to switch clients, all for something that
>> wasn't broken in the first place. Thanks for reading,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Rainey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jared Rimer
> www.jaredrimer.net
>
could see your screen would have adds no different. if it's that much of an
issue pay for the program just that simple.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Rimer" <jared@lists.jaredrimer.net>
To: <gw-apps@gwmicro.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: On GW Connect Advertisement
>I do believe that on the advertisements page, you have to submit something
>to GW, but I don't remember anything about an audio based advertisement.
>While I'm a Window-Eyes user, so I get no adds whatsoever, other platforms
>like RS and Skype and even the web are full of adds. Like I said before,
>nothing is 100 percent free. I even had advertisements on my Internet
>stream which were paid for and run. Right now I have none, so none are
>being run. But if it helps pay the bills, than thats what needs to go. I'm
>curious when GW started allowing audio as I don't remember seeing that as
>an option on their page describing the program.
>
> On 8/8/2013 4:51 AM, Michael Capelle wrote:
>> people, give me a break!
>> many web sites have adds on them. on regular skype, sighted people see
>> adds on there screen.
>> don't like the adds, buy the program!
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Massey
>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:33 AM
>> To: gw-apps@gwmicro.com
>> Subject: RE: On GW Connect Advertisement
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey. I'm responding because you aren't the first person to mention
>> what have been called intrusive ads. There just hasn't been as much
>> information provided by anyone explaining what has happened. Now that
>> you have provided as much information about the ads, maybe Gw Micro will
>> be able to further investigate why those ads were heard by Gw Connect
>> users. Now I understand even more why some folks on this list were so
>> annoyed by what have been called intrusive ads. While I realize that Gw
>> Micro has to make money to stay in business, I, like Jeffrey and others,
>> do not want to hear audio advertisements suddenly popping up in the
>> background considering how Jeffrey explained the way in which he
>> encountered the ad. That would, as the tweat provided by Jeffrey put
>> it, "creep me out" too if I hadn't known about this thread. I am
>> requesting that Gw Micro keep the audio ads from appearing so as not to
>> cause such frustration. No wonder list members experiencing these ads
>> made such a fuss, smile.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike M.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeffrey Rainey [mailto:Jeffrey_rainey@rogers.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 3:27 AM
>> To: gw-apps@gwmicro.com
>> Subject: On GW Connect Advertisement
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've noticed the changes in GWConnect, and I could not bite my tongue.
>>
>> I have been a GWConnect user from the very beginning, and have found it
>> a very nice and clutter-free application with all of the functionality
>> of the skype client. I have also seen the heated debates that broke out
>> over twitter not long after its release, constituting what makes
>> freeware software. I took no interest in these debates, as the
>> semantics, to me, were insignificant and unrelated to how the software
>> was written and how it ran. The ads themselves were controllable if you
>> were using a screen reader other than Window-eyes, so in my situation it
>> was a minimal price to pay (if you'll forgive the pun.)
>>
>> Fast forward more than a year and a half later. One morning I hear a
>> voice in my left channel talking about leadership is spirit, and I could
>> not figure out where it was coming from. My first concern was that it
>> was a virus, but I did not get any pop-up windows or any other alerts
>> that would suggest so. In fact, I even asked for help on twitter, asking
>> where this virus could potentially be embedded, and the unabridged tweet
>> is as follows: Jeffrey Rainey: I'm hearing a random voiceover for what
>> sounds like Dynamic Pona in my left channel. This is creeping me out
>> because it sounds like a virus, but I don't know where to check for it.
>>
>> Thankfully I found that it was an ad for GWConnect, but that doesn't
>> mean I approve of it any more. I would like to know why audio and
>> musical ads are now incorporated into the software, if the user has no
>> control over them. I understand that it is a profitable endeavour, and I
>> don't have a problem with a business trying to make money. What I do
>> have a problem with, however, is that this type of promotion is
>> extremely obtrusive in any piece of software, whether free and with ads
>> or paid, and as far as I know, has never been forced into any other
>> software packages. Even if it were, in my opinion, it is not a good
>> practice to follow.
>>
>> My suggestion is that these audio ads be written out so that a screen
>> reader can read them aloud, and the user has the choice of whether they
>> choose to hear them or not. It is not assumed that the user must be
>> forced to hear these ads as some sort of catch 22 for using the non-paid
>> version of this software.
>>
>> Ads appear in free versions of software all the time. RS games has them,
>> apps for mobile platforms have them as well for both blind and sighted
>> users alike, and any user of a program or app has the right to be
>> frustrated with an amber-alert-style ad of which they have no control.
>>
>> I hope this message, as well as others like it is given serious thought,
>> because I would hate to have to switch clients, all for something that
>> wasn't broken in the first place. Thanks for reading,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Rainey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jared Rimer
> www.jaredrimer.net
>
