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Jared Rimer <jared@lists.jaredrimer.net>Subject:
Re: Print screenDate:
Wed, Jul 3, 2013 11:45:35 pmYou're right Mark, I hit my pause key without keyboard help and it said
pause, but the other two keys don't speak. Its very interesting.
On 7/3/2013 7:37 AM, Marc Solomon wrote:
> I find that Window-Eyes does announce the Pause key (which is also the
> Break key) as well as the Scroll Lock with key describer on and off. In
> either case, I have logged this issue as an official Window-Eyes bug so
> we can try to work on enhancing key describer to better support these
> keys in the future on both compact and full size keyboards.
>
> Thanks,
>
> marc
>
> *From:*David [mailto:trailerdavid@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:30 PM
> *To:* gw-apps@gwmicro.com
> *Cc:* Doug Geoffray; steve@gwmicro.com; Aaron Smith
> *Subject:* Re: Print screen
>
> Mark,
>
> Please beware, that the lack of reporting the PrintScreen and other keys
> on the keyboard, has nothing to do with the laptop keyboard. Even when I
> connect a standard, full-sized microsoft keyboard to my computer, via
> the USB, Window-Eyes still does not report the different extra keys. In
> this case, there is one physical key for each function - like one
> physical key that works only as a PrintScreen key, another key that is
> the Paus/Break key, a set of seperate keys will work as the multimedia
> keys, and so forth. No key combinations are needed, to call up these
> functions. Still, Window-Eyes does not recognize them. So, the lack of
> recognition, is independent on what kind of keyboard you are running. Be
> a laptop, a desktop, it doesn't make any difference. Please have the
> developing team make the recogniztion of the keys, on any computer.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Marc Solomon <mailto:marc@gwmicro.com>
>
> *To:*gw-apps@gwmicro.com <mailto:gw-apps@gwmicro.com>
>
> *Cc:*Doug Geoffray <mailto:geoffray@gwmicro.com> ; steve@gwmicro.com
> <mailto:steve@gwmicro.com> ; Aaron Smith <mailto:aaron@gwmicro.com>
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:44 PM
>
> *Subject:*RE: Print screen
>
> Hi Hui,
>
> David is correct that Window-Eyes does not recognize the secondary
> functions of certain laptop certain with the key describer turned
> on. After doing some searching online, it is most likely that your
> Print Screen key is the secondary function of the Insert key on your
> Fujitsu laptop. So, if you wanted to activate the Print Screen key,
> you would need to hold down the Function (Fn) key and then press
> Insert/Print Screen. If you wanted to capture a screen shot, you
> would press Control-Function-Insert which should simulate pressing
> Control-Print Screen. Using a full size USB keyboard would
> certainly be a good solution when using the laptop at home.
>
> In addition, I will forward this message along to the Window-Eyes
> development team so they can try to address this issue of the
> Window-Eyes Key Describer not recognizing all secondary function
> keys on laptops.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc
>
> *From:*David [mailto:trailerdavid@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:34 AM
> *To:* gw-apps@gwmicro.com <mailto:gw-apps@gwmicro.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Print screen
>
> You wouldn't by chance, happen to have a full-sized standard
> keyboard at hand? If so, connect it to your USB port. Then, look
> right above the group of 6 keys, and you likely will find a few
> extra keys there. One being the Pause/Break key, and another might
> likely be the PrintScreen.
>
> OK, that does not solve your real problem, of finding the
> PrintScreen on your laptop, but could be a workaround, if you just
> need the key right now, for some desperate reason. :)
>
> If on the other hand, you want to know exactly where it is on your
> computer, here is a couple of suggestions.
>
> This kind of 'seldom used' keys, often will be somehow hidden on
> laptops, where the keyboard has been cramped. In many cases, you
> will have to first locate the FN key of your laptop. Most models,
> will have this key located in immediate nearness of the Ctrl-key,
> found at the very botttom left corner of your keyboard. The FN-key,
> will act just like a Shift-key. You press and hold the FN-key, along
> with any other key on your computer's keyboard, and the key gives a
> secondary functionality. Like, if you Press and hold your FN-key,
> along with things like F12, this might work as the mute button on a
> full-sized keyboard. My guess is, that you will find the PrintScreen
> key on your computer, in some kind of a combination with the FN-key,
> and some of the keys you find on your top-row of the keyboard,
> starting with ESC on the far left, working it's way through all the
> 12 function keys, and ending up in the far right, with some extra
> keys. Exactly where on this row you will find your PrintScreen, is
> very hard to tell. Not even any standard within the same brand. So,
> your best go, would have been to try one by one. I am not fully
> sure, if Window-Eyes recognize the PrintScreen, and it needs to do,
> if it is to tell the key, when you turn on key-describer mode, by
> hitting Insert-1.
>
> As a matter of fact, I just tried it out, and Window-Eyes does not
> recognize the PrintScreen key, on my keyboard. If you have NVDA
> installed on your computer, start it, and hit Insert-1, and you will
> turn on the key-describer mode of NVDA. The PrintScreen key, is
> recognized by NVDA, hence trying to pressing all the top row keys,
> first one by one, and if that doesn't help try them in combination
> with the FN-key - sooner or later, NVDA will likely tell you, that
> you came across the PrintScreen-key.
>
> My next suggestion, could be to get a sighted person to look at your
> keyboard, and tell you where to find the key. If you don't have
> anyone nearby, try calling the store where you bought the computer,
> tell them your situation, and ask them to please have a look at a
> similar machine in the store. Most dealers, that has a computer on
> display, will be able to understand your situation, and I have had
> experiences where they have been quite helpful. Even calling the
> tech support for the manufacturer, asking them for this one simple
> help, could have been a solution. If they don't have a computer at
> display, at least they are likely to have a clue where the key
> normally is located on their machines. Specially so, if you can get
> through to one of the guys in the repair department.
>
> Again, GW, here we see another case, where the free screen reader is
> out-ranging Window-Eyes. Why does Window-Eyes not recognize the
> PrintScreen of the keyboard? Neither does it recognize the
> Pause/Break key, none of the multimedia keys are recognized either.
> If you have a key-describer mode, have it describe any possible key,
> of a modern keyboard. Time has gone, when all your computer held,
> was a slightly advanced typewriter keyboard.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*hui thian <mailto:huithiam@singnet.com.sg>
>
> *To:*gw-apps@gwmicro.com <mailto:gw-apps@gwmicro.com>
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:13 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: Print screen
>
> Hi Mqark, thanks for your assistance. I turn it on and when I
> press all the keys I can't find any print screen key. what
> should I do? thanks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Marc Solomon <mailto:marc@gwmicro.com>
>
> *To:*gw-apps@gwmicro.com <mailto:gw-apps@gwmicro.com> ; hui
> thian <mailto:huithiam@singnet.com.sg>
>
> *Sent:*Monday, July 01, 2013 8:15 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: Print screen
>
> Hi Hui,
>
> I would recommend turning on key describer, by pressing
> Insert-1. Then you can explore your keyboard by pressing
> each key or key combination and Window-Eyes will announce
> each key and its function as it is pressed. This technique
> should help you find the print screen key. You can turn key
> describer off by pressing Insert-1. Most people don't use
> this key unless they need to create a screen shot of the
> computer display our if it is defined as part of a horley in
> a specific application.
>
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
> hui thian <huithiam@singnet.com.sg
> <mailto:huithiam@singnet.com.sg>> wrote:
>
> Hi, kindly assist please. I am using a lap top and do not
> know where the print screen button is. please advise where
> can I get the button and how to use it. thanks
>
> Best Regards
> Hui Thian
>
--
Jared Rimer
www.jaredrimer.net
pause, but the other two keys don't speak. Its very interesting.
On 7/3/2013 7:37 AM, Marc Solomon wrote:
> I find that Window-Eyes does announce the Pause key (which is also the
> Break key) as well as the Scroll Lock with key describer on and off. In
> either case, I have logged this issue as an official Window-Eyes bug so
> we can try to work on enhancing key describer to better support these
> keys in the future on both compact and full size keyboards.
>
> Thanks,
>
> marc
>
> *From:*David [mailto:trailerdavid@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:30 PM
> *To:* gw-apps@gwmicro.com
> *Cc:* Doug Geoffray; steve@gwmicro.com; Aaron Smith
> *Subject:* Re: Print screen
>
> Mark,
>
> Please beware, that the lack of reporting the PrintScreen and other keys
> on the keyboard, has nothing to do with the laptop keyboard. Even when I
> connect a standard, full-sized microsoft keyboard to my computer, via
> the USB, Window-Eyes still does not report the different extra keys. In
> this case, there is one physical key for each function - like one
> physical key that works only as a PrintScreen key, another key that is
> the Paus/Break key, a set of seperate keys will work as the multimedia
> keys, and so forth. No key combinations are needed, to call up these
> functions. Still, Window-Eyes does not recognize them. So, the lack of
> recognition, is independent on what kind of keyboard you are running. Be
> a laptop, a desktop, it doesn't make any difference. Please have the
> developing team make the recogniztion of the keys, on any computer.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Marc Solomon <mailto:marc@gwmicro.com>
>
> *To:*gw-apps@gwmicro.com <mailto:gw-apps@gwmicro.com>
>
> *Cc:*Doug Geoffray <mailto:geoffray@gwmicro.com> ; steve@gwmicro.com
> <mailto:steve@gwmicro.com> ; Aaron Smith <mailto:aaron@gwmicro.com>
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:44 PM
>
> *Subject:*RE: Print screen
>
> Hi Hui,
>
> David is correct that Window-Eyes does not recognize the secondary
> functions of certain laptop certain with the key describer turned
> on. After doing some searching online, it is most likely that your
> Print Screen key is the secondary function of the Insert key on your
> Fujitsu laptop. So, if you wanted to activate the Print Screen key,
> you would need to hold down the Function (Fn) key and then press
> Insert/Print Screen. If you wanted to capture a screen shot, you
> would press Control-Function-Insert which should simulate pressing
> Control-Print Screen. Using a full size USB keyboard would
> certainly be a good solution when using the laptop at home.
>
> In addition, I will forward this message along to the Window-Eyes
> development team so they can try to address this issue of the
> Window-Eyes Key Describer not recognizing all secondary function
> keys on laptops.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc
>
> *From:*David [mailto:trailerdavid@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:34 AM
> *To:* gw-apps@gwmicro.com <mailto:gw-apps@gwmicro.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Print screen
>
> You wouldn't by chance, happen to have a full-sized standard
> keyboard at hand? If so, connect it to your USB port. Then, look
> right above the group of 6 keys, and you likely will find a few
> extra keys there. One being the Pause/Break key, and another might
> likely be the PrintScreen.
>
> OK, that does not solve your real problem, of finding the
> PrintScreen on your laptop, but could be a workaround, if you just
> need the key right now, for some desperate reason. :)
>
> If on the other hand, you want to know exactly where it is on your
> computer, here is a couple of suggestions.
>
> This kind of 'seldom used' keys, often will be somehow hidden on
> laptops, where the keyboard has been cramped. In many cases, you
> will have to first locate the FN key of your laptop. Most models,
> will have this key located in immediate nearness of the Ctrl-key,
> found at the very botttom left corner of your keyboard. The FN-key,
> will act just like a Shift-key. You press and hold the FN-key, along
> with any other key on your computer's keyboard, and the key gives a
> secondary functionality. Like, if you Press and hold your FN-key,
> along with things like F12, this might work as the mute button on a
> full-sized keyboard. My guess is, that you will find the PrintScreen
> key on your computer, in some kind of a combination with the FN-key,
> and some of the keys you find on your top-row of the keyboard,
> starting with ESC on the far left, working it's way through all the
> 12 function keys, and ending up in the far right, with some extra
> keys. Exactly where on this row you will find your PrintScreen, is
> very hard to tell. Not even any standard within the same brand. So,
> your best go, would have been to try one by one. I am not fully
> sure, if Window-Eyes recognize the PrintScreen, and it needs to do,
> if it is to tell the key, when you turn on key-describer mode, by
> hitting Insert-1.
>
> As a matter of fact, I just tried it out, and Window-Eyes does not
> recognize the PrintScreen key, on my keyboard. If you have NVDA
> installed on your computer, start it, and hit Insert-1, and you will
> turn on the key-describer mode of NVDA. The PrintScreen key, is
> recognized by NVDA, hence trying to pressing all the top row keys,
> first one by one, and if that doesn't help try them in combination
> with the FN-key - sooner or later, NVDA will likely tell you, that
> you came across the PrintScreen-key.
>
> My next suggestion, could be to get a sighted person to look at your
> keyboard, and tell you where to find the key. If you don't have
> anyone nearby, try calling the store where you bought the computer,
> tell them your situation, and ask them to please have a look at a
> similar machine in the store. Most dealers, that has a computer on
> display, will be able to understand your situation, and I have had
> experiences where they have been quite helpful. Even calling the
> tech support for the manufacturer, asking them for this one simple
> help, could have been a solution. If they don't have a computer at
> display, at least they are likely to have a clue where the key
> normally is located on their machines. Specially so, if you can get
> through to one of the guys in the repair department.
>
> Again, GW, here we see another case, where the free screen reader is
> out-ranging Window-Eyes. Why does Window-Eyes not recognize the
> PrintScreen of the keyboard? Neither does it recognize the
> Pause/Break key, none of the multimedia keys are recognized either.
> If you have a key-describer mode, have it describe any possible key,
> of a modern keyboard. Time has gone, when all your computer held,
> was a slightly advanced typewriter keyboard.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*hui thian <mailto:huithiam@singnet.com.sg>
>
> *To:*gw-apps@gwmicro.com <mailto:gw-apps@gwmicro.com>
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:13 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: Print screen
>
> Hi Mqark, thanks for your assistance. I turn it on and when I
> press all the keys I can't find any print screen key. what
> should I do? thanks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Marc Solomon <mailto:marc@gwmicro.com>
>
> *To:*gw-apps@gwmicro.com <mailto:gw-apps@gwmicro.com> ; hui
> thian <mailto:huithiam@singnet.com.sg>
>
> *Sent:*Monday, July 01, 2013 8:15 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: Print screen
>
> Hi Hui,
>
> I would recommend turning on key describer, by pressing
> Insert-1. Then you can explore your keyboard by pressing
> each key or key combination and Window-Eyes will announce
> each key and its function as it is pressed. This technique
> should help you find the print screen key. You can turn key
> describer off by pressing Insert-1. Most people don't use
> this key unless they need to create a screen shot of the
> computer display our if it is defined as part of a horley in
> a specific application.
>
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
> hui thian <huithiam@singnet.com.sg
> <mailto:huithiam@singnet.com.sg>> wrote:
>
> Hi, kindly assist please. I am using a lap top and do not
> know where the print screen button is. please advise where
> can I get the button and how to use it. thanks
>
> Best Regards
> Hui Thian
>
--
Jared Rimer
www.jaredrimer.net
